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Does Golf Club Lie Angle Affect Direction?

Yes, Lie Angle Affects Direction

Everything about the golf swing eventually comes down to one question.  Did my golf ball go where I wanted it to?  Let’s talk about how much affect lie angle has on the direction of your golf ball.

What is Golf Club Lie Angle?

You have heard over and over again how important it is to have your clubs fitted to your swing.  But you are probably thinking “How much difference can it really make?”.  The answer could be a significant amount depending on how far out of line your clubs are with your swing.

First, we need to make sure we have a good understanding of what lie angle is.  The lie angle is the angle between the sole of the club and shaft.  If the toe is down at impact, the lie angle would be considered flat.  A toe up condition would be considered upright.  An ideal lie angle would have the sole of the club parallel with the ground at impact.

Now that we understand what the lie angle is, let’s talk about the effects of having clubs with the wrong lie angle.

Golf Ball Direction

The first thing to know is that lie angle being incorrect is the most important on clubs with more loft.  The more loft a club has, the more magnified an incorrect lie angle will be when it comes to the direction of your golf ball.  A 3 iron will be much less offline than a PW with the same lie angle.

Let’s take a real world example based on an article written by Barton Creek Golf Academy .  The following scenario is for a right handed golfer.

“First, assume you have a 120 yard shot to a pin and your choice of club is a 46 degree pitching wedge. Let’s say you execute the shot perfectly with one exception: the toe of the club is up 4 degrees at impact. This means the lie angle of the club is adjusted too upright for you. This scenario creates a ball that will be pulled 4 degrees left of the target because angle of clubface is tilted 4 degrees in that direction. This creates a ball flight that is roughly 26 feet left of the pin.

If the pin you were playing for was 15 feet right of the greenside bunker, then you just made a technically sound swing and ended up in the bunker. Another example would be a 190 yard shot with a 20 degree 3 iron that was executed well except the toe of the club is 4 degrees upright at impact. This would cause the face angle to point 1.5 degrees left of the target at impact resulting in a shot that is 15 feet off-line.”

Incorrect Lie Angle Could Hurt Your Game

Based on the numbers above, each degree of lie angle will cause you to be 6.5 feet off target when hitting a 120 yard shot with a 46 degree PW.  When you consider that you almost never execute a perfect swing, 1 degree off could easily cause you to be in the bunker instead of on the green.  If you hit the ball 10 feet left of the pin, your lie angle would cause you to be an extra 6.5 feet left.  There are many bunkers that are less then 16.5 feet from the pin.

But Could It Also Help Your Game?

We would be remiss if we didn’t also take into account the times that an incorrect lie angle could actually help you.  If an incorrect lie angle could hurt your perfect swing, it is then possible that it could help get you closer to the pin in the case of a bad swing.  With a lie angle 1 degree flatter than it should be, a shot pulled 10 feet left would end up 3.5 feet from the hole for a tap in.

When you take this into consideration, it really depends on your swing faults as to how much an incorrect lie angle would help or hurt.  If you tend to pull the ball a good bit of the time, it is possible that a flat lie angle could actually help you hit it closer to the hole.  Just as a person who pushes the ball would be helped by an upright lie angle.

Many of the newer adjustable drivers are built to adjust lie angle to account for your swing faults.  If you look at the Titleist chart below you will see that the setting to help you hit a fade is .75* flat.  Since the majority of amateur golfers hit a fade, Titleist allows more adjustment to help you hit a draw at 1.5 degrees upright.

Titleist Driver Adjustment Chart

Obviously, the optimal thing to do is get lessons and get a better golf swing.  However, if you don’t have the time to perfect your golf swing.  You might try adjusting your lie angle to help cover your swing faults.

When Should I Have My Clubs Checked?

Buying New Clubs

If you are buying brand new clubs, you can have them ordered to fit your swing with the correct length and lie angle.  If you buy a new set of standard clubs, you can have them bent to your specifications by a local golf shop.  However, keep in mind that most cast made clubs can only be bent a certain amount without causing stress on the metal.  If you own soft forged clubs, they are easier to bend and have more room for adjustment without causing problems.

Keep in mind that every manufacturer has their own standard lie angle.  The standard lie angle between manufacturers could be up to 2.5 degrees different.  Make sure you get fitted to know what degree lie angle you need.

Buying Used Clubs

I had a friend who once bought a used set of soft forged irons.  When he had the lie angles checked, they were all over the place.  If you like to go into the local golf shop and buy a used set off the rack like my friend, try to have the shop check and if needed adjust the lie angles for free.  They normally charge $3 to $5 per club to make adjustments, so this could save you some cash if you can get them to throw it in.   Check out our article about the best used clubs of 2017 if you are in the market.

New Swing

When you consider what was discussed earlier in this article, it stands to reason that making swing adjustments could necessitate lie angle adjustments as well.  Let’s say your swing coach has you stand closer to the ball, there is a good chance you will need to have your clubs adjusted to be more upright.  Many swing changes will affect the lie angle you need, so make sure you have your clubs checked when you change your swing.

After a Lot Use

If you play a significant amount of golf, it is possible that your clubs have slowly bent over time.  Softer forged irons are more prone to bending, but it is possible with any set of clubs.  It would be a good idea to have your clubs checked every couple of years depending on how much you use them.  If you are a range rat who spends a lot of time wearing out the face of your favorite 7 iron, you may also be changing the lie angle of that favorite club.

Conclusion

There are many things to consider about lie angle, but in the end everything comes down to golf ball direction.  As discussed earlier, the best solution to a swing flaw is to fix your swing through lessons and repetition.  However, many people just want to go enjoy a round of golf every now and then without a lot of practice.  If this is you, you may want to adjust your clubs to help cover up a swing flaw.  While not ideal, it could help you enjoy the game more.

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Best New Drivers of 2018: Complete List

Best New Drivers of 2018

Are you in the market for a new driver for 2018?  Personally, I am always in the market for a new driver if I think it will help me hit it longer and straighter.

In 2017, the Callaway GBB Epic has become one of the most popular drivers available.  According to GolfWRX, the Callaway GBB Epic and Epic Sub Zero won the vote by a significant margin over the TaylorMade M2 with Titleist coming in 3rd.

It will be interesting to see if TaylorMade can take back the top spot for drivers in 2018.  Without any further delay, let’s start by taking a look at what the big four (Callaway, TaylorMade, Ping, Titleist) have to offer and then make our way through the rest of the manufacturers.

2018 Callaway Rogue / Rogue Sub Zero / Rogue Draw Drivers

It will be interesting to see if Callaway can improve on the well liked GBB Epic.  They have certainly given it their best shot with the new Rogue.  For more detailed information on the Callaway Rogue, check out our post here.

New Technology

Updated Jailbreak technology – The new jailbreak technology includes hourglass shaped bars that give the crown and sole more stiffness.  The stiffer face and sole allow the face to produce faster ball speed and increased distance.

Triaxial Carbon Crown – The carbon material saves weight and allows Callaway to redistribute weight to the perimeter of the club for higher MOI and better forgiveness.

Boeing Aero Package – Callaway worked with Boeing to help refine the leading edge for better aerodynamics.  The idea is to help you increase your swing speed even if ever so slightly.

Model Versions

The Rogue model line includes the standard Rogue, the Sub Zero, and the Draw version.  The Sub Zero is for higher swing speed players who need to lower their spin.  While the Draw model is for those of you who need to control your left to right ball flight.

Lofts Available

Standard and draw models come in 9, 10.5, and 13.5.  Sub Zero models come in 9 and 10.5.  All models will adjust down by 1 degree and up by 2 degrees.

Retail Price

There are some upgraded shaft options that will cost you more, but stock retail price is $500.

Video Reviews

Here are a few video reviews of the new Rogue.  Take a look at these to get a better idea of how they perform.



2018 TaylorMade M3 / M3 440 / M4 / M4 D-Type Drivers

 

TaylorMade is trying to play catch up to Callaway after being the lead dog in the past.  We will have to see if these new models help them become king of drivers once again.

New Technology

Twist Face – This is the new feature TaylorMade seems to be promoting the most and is included on all new TaylorMade models.  Instead of the traditional bulge and roll club face that has been around forever, the new Twist Face is curved open in the high toe and slightly closed in the low heel.  The result is tighter dispersion on mis-hits that should cause you to spend more time in the fairway.

Hammerhead – Also included on all new models.  The sides of the slot in the bottom of the club head has been reinforced to allow the club face to be lighter and more flexible.  This makes the sweet spot much larger and allows for more forgiveness.

Y-Track – Only on the M3 models.  The moveable weights on the bottom can now be adjusted within a Y shaped area.  It gives the golfer more options to adjust for draw, fade, high and low.

Model Versions

The premium models are the standard M3 and the M3 440 which include all of the new technologies.  The 440 version is for lower handicappers and golfers with higher swing speeds with a lower spin requirement.  The M4 is slightly less expensive and does not include the Y-Track technology.  It is more geared toward higher handicappers.  A D-Type M4 is also available for those who struggle with a slice.

Lofts Available

M3: 8.5, 9.5, 10.5 and 12 degrees

M3 440: 9.5 and 10.5 degrees

M4: 9.5, 10.5, 12 degrees

M4 D-Type: 10.5 and 12 degrees

Lofts are adjustable +/- 2 degrees

Retail Price

M3 and M3 440: $499.99

M4 and M4 D-Type: $429.99

Video Reviews


Ping G400 / G400 Max / G400 LST / G400 SFT Drivers

 

Ping has always made a great driver and hopefully they can improve on the excellent G series that came before.

New Technology

Faster Forged Face – Forged T9S+ face allows for the face to flex more for higher ball speeds.

Tungsten Back Weight – High density tungsten back weight to increase MOI and give the player more forgiveness.

Faster Shape – Turbulators and Vortec Technology combine to reduce mid-downswing drag by 40% and overall drag by 15%.

Dragonfly Technology – Dramatically decreases weight in the crown for added MOI which creates more accuracy and forgiveness.

Model Versions

G400 – Standard Model

G400 Max – Higher MOI shape that is deep from the face to the back.  Should be more forgiving for higher handicappers.

G400 SFT – This version is targeted toward those who need help with their slice.  It has a draw bias.

G400 LST – This is the low spin model made for the low handicapper with higher swing speeds.

Lofts Available

G400 and G400 Max: 9 and 10.5 degrees

G400 SFT: 10 and 12 degrees

G400 LST: 8.5 and 10 degrees

All models can be adjusted up or down by 1 degree.

Retail Price

$399 with stock shaft

Video Reviews



Titleist 917D2 / 917D3 Drivers

 

While these drivers were released for the 2017 model year, they are still the latest model from Titleist and will be until late in the year.  Titleist has always been more traditional and this driver does not stray from that theme.

New Technology

Surefit GC – Allows the the center of gravity to be moved between the toe and heel to adjust spin and launch angle.

Radial Speed Face 2.0 – Has a thinner perimeter face width for more forgiveness and ball speed across the entire face.

Active Recoil Channel 2.0 – They refined the thickness of the walls around the channel to lower spin and add ball speed.

Model Versions

917D2 – Geared toward those who need a little more forgiveness, but is also great for the better player.

917D3 – Targeted at the better player with a slightly smaller 440cc head shaped in a way that lowers spin.

Lofts Available

917D2 – 8.5, 9.5, 10.5, and 12 degrees

917D3 – 8.5, 9.5 and 10.5 degrees

Both models will adjust down .75 degrees and up 1.5 degrees.

Retail Price

Both models retail at $550

Video Reviews



 

Cobra King F8 / King F8+ Drivers

Cobra has made some really good drivers in the last few years.  The Cobra Amp Cell Pro from a few years ago is still one of my favorite drivers.  The King F8 promises to be one of best they have produced based on early reviews.  When it comes to new technology, Cobra is leading the way with the new Cobra Connect app being the most exciting.

New Technology

Precision CNC milled face for more ball speed.  Milling the face is more precise which allows Cobra to ge the face thickness right to the legal limit.

E9 Technology – Cobra analyzed over 25,000 shots and noticed that missed tended to be in a elliptical pattern from low heel to high on the toe.  Armed with this information, they created a sweet spot that matches this pattern for more forgiveness.

Tilted bulge and roll axis – The top half of the face is designed with more curvature and the bottom half is more flat to optimize spin no matter where on the face you hit.

360 Aero – Like other companies Cobra has optimized the shape of the head for better aerodynamics to increase club head speed.

Adjustable CG Settings – One weight in the back and one in the heel allow you to optimize spin for greater distance and accuracy.

Cobra Connect – The only one of the major manufacturers to feature an App that connects to the golf club.  The App gives you distance, dispersion, and percentage of fairways hit to help you improve your game.  It will also make suggestions about the optimal driver settings for your swing.

Model Versions

King F8 – Geared toward those who need a little more forgiveness, but is also great for the better player.  Has one CG weight toward the heel to help create more draw bias.

King F8+ – Targeted at the better player with weights in the center of the sole near the face and the back edge of the club head.  This allows for more adaptability for spin and launch angle.

Lofts Available

King F8: 9° / 9.5° / 9.5° Draw / 10.5° / 10.5° Draw / 11.5°  / 11.5° Draw / 12°*

King F8+: 8° / 8.5° / 8.5° Draw / 9.5° / 9.5° Draw / 10.5°  / 10.5° Draw / 11°*

All driver heads are the same.  The lofts can be adjusted using the myfly 8 adjustable hosel.

Retail Price

Both models retail at $399

Video Reviews



 

Mizuno GT180 / ST180 Drivers

Mizuno is well known as one of the leading iron companies, but their drivers have been playing catch up for a number of years.  They have caught on some with their recent offerings, but still make up a small share of the driver market.  The new GT180 is one of the more adjustable drivers available today and could be one that continues to help the company gain traction in the driver market.

New Technology

Amplified Wave Sole – The ST180 has this technology that compresses and expands the entire sole at impact causing faster ball speeds.

Forged SP700 Ti Face – Allows more flex at impact to increase ball speed.

Sliding Sole Weights – Three tracks for sole weights give the player complete control of spin and launch angle.

Model Versions

GT180 – Targeted at all players with numerous settings to adjust for optimized ball flight.

ST180 – Targeted at faster swing speed players who need lower spin.  Weight is concentrated low and toward the face to achieve this.

Lofts Available

GT180 – Adjustable from 7.5 to 11.5 degrees

ST180 – 9.5 (adjustable from 7.5 to 11.5) and 12.5 (adjustable from 10.5 to 14.5) degrees

Retail Price

GT180 – $400

ST180 – $400

Video Reviews



 

Cleveland Launcher HB Driver

Cleveland is best known for wedges and putters, but they’ve returned to the long game with the new Launcher HB. The driver goes for a throwback design, forgoing the trend of adjustability in favor of a lightweight head. Taking out the adjustable weights and lofts also allowed Cleveland to cut down on the price, with the Launcher HB being the least expensive driver on our list.

New Technology

Flex-Fin Technology – This technology is designed to launch the ball with remarkable speed, even on heel and toe miss-hits.

HiBore crown – Moves the center of gravity low and deep, promoting a high-launch, low-spin trajectory.

Launcher Cup Face – Increases COR across the face, adds ball speed and consistency.

Lofts Available

9, 10.5, and 12 degrees.

Retail Price

$300

Video Reviews



 

Bridgestone Tour B XD-3/XD-5/XD-7 Driver

Bridgestone updated their driver lineup in late 2017 with three new models under the Tour B name: The mid-level XD-3, the more forgiving XD- 5, and the distance-boasting XD-7.

New Technology

F.A.S.T crown – Get faster ball speeds and high launch angles with our F.A.S.T. (Flex Action Speed Technology) crown design. Variable face thickness work together to minimize loss on off center strikes.

Power Rib Technology – Creates a stable base for less vibration and perfect sound.

Lofts Available

XD-3 and XD-5: 9.5 and 10.5 degrees.

XD-7: 9 degrees.

Retail Price

$699

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Love Stress and Wasting Time? Sell Your Clubs on eBay or Craigslist!

Save Time and Stress with Golf Club Brokers

I know what you’re thinking.

You have a set of clubs or maybe a driver that you need to sell but you’re not sure which route to take. You’ve considered posting it on eBay or Craigslist… though you know there’s always the risk of unreliable buyers or other bumps down those roads. Then, you had the idea of selling it to a friend, but your friends never seem to want what you have when you have it. And finally, you’ve reluctantly thought about pawning it outright to a company that buys and sells golf clubs.

A company like Golf Club Brokers.

But let’s be honest. When it comes right down to it, you’re going to make less money selling your clubs to Golf Club Brokers than you would if you listed it yourself.

So why choose Golf Club Brokers over selling your golf clubs on eBay or Craigslist? Because your time is worth it.

Let me explain exactly what I mean.

I’ve been selling on eBay for nearly two decades and if there’s one thing I know, it’s that eBay can be a complete pain in the neck.

I don’t need that stress and neither do you.

And just in case you think it really isn’t that big of a deal, consider the time it takes to sell on eBay:

  • Cleaning your clubs – no one wants to buy beat up, muddy clubs
  • Taking clear, well-lit photos
  • Slogging through the process of listing your item – writing a detailed description, creating a shipping/return policy, etc.
  • Waiting for your item to actually sell – all while the value drops

But that’s just to get your clubs out the door. What happens when your buyer messages you and says, “I just got your clubs but I’ve decided they aren’t right for me. I’d like a refund,” or “These clubs are nothing like what you advertised! I want my $%#@ money back!” or even better, he just leaves negative feedback with no explanation at all.

Then you have to wait for your returned clubs to get back to you and go through the whole process again.

Oh, and don’t forget those lovely eBay and Paypal fees.

So you start off thinking, I’ll make more money selling my golf clubs on eBay. But at the end of the day, is that extra $20 really worth all of the wasted time, stress, and frustration that you’ll have to deal with?

Surely there’s a better way.

“I’m with you,” you may be thinking, “I don’t like eBay either. But what about Craigslist? There’s a lot less red tape dealing with Craigslist.”

And you’d be right.

With Craigslist you don’t have to worry about fees or eBay’s selling policies. But it hardly saves you hassle or time. In fact, Craigslist may be more obnoxious than eBay.

Think about all of the issues you have to deal with when selling on Craigslist:

  • Waiting days, weeks, or even months for a buyer to actually bite – all while the value of your clubs slowly drop
  • Getting a message, only to respond and never hear from the person again
  • Waiting in the Wal-Mart parking lot until you finally decide that your ‘buyer’ isn’t much of a buyer after all
  • Meeting people you don’t know whose every move inevitably makes you uncomfortable
  • Finally selling your clubs but then getting a text or email a few days later asking for a refund

And that’s in addition to the time it takes you to clean your clubs, take pictures, and post your listing.

Selling your golf clubs on Craigslist is hardly better than selling them on eBay.

That is, if your time and stress levels matter to you.

But what are your other options?

May I recommend Golf Club Brokers?

Now, I know I’m biased. After all, I do work for Golf Club Brokers. But I’m going to be as objective and honest as possible here.

These are the issues you’ll have to deal with when selling your clubs on Golf Club Brokers: You won’t make quite as much money as you would on eBay or Craigslist.

But what would you save by selling to Golf Club Brokers?

  • SAVE TIME spent deep cleaning your clubs to prepare them for a photoshoot
  • SAVE TIME spent taking and uploading well-lit, properly framed pictures
  • SAVE TIME spent writing a description of your clubs
  • SAVE TIME spent waiting for someone to finally make the purchase
  • SAVE THE HASSLE of waiting for someone you don’t know to finally show up so you can sell your clubs
  • SAVE THE HASSLE of dealing with disgruntled buyers and negative feedback
  • SAVE THE HASSLE of eBay and Paypal fees

The reality is, with eBay or Craigslist, you’re going to end up spending hours trying to get your clubs sold and money in your pocket. With Golf Club Brokers, you won’t spend more than a few minutes.

Just choose your club from our convenient drop down menu, get an instant quote based on its condition, fill out a short contact form, print out your shipping label, and drop your club in the mail.

That’s it.

And within 24 hours of receiving your clubs, your money will be on its way into your wallet.

Your time is worth more than the handful of extra dollars you’d make trying to sell on eBay or Craigslist. Don’t shortchange yourself.

Golf Club Broker’s What-You-See-Is-What-You-Get Price Guarantee

When you sell your clubs to Golf Club Brokers, you can be confident that you will receive the exact amount that’s quoted on our website. We promise that what you see is what you get – no hidden fees or red tape. It really is as easy as filling out a form and dropping a box in the mail. And if you aren’t completely satisfied, we will ship your clubs back to you at absolutely no charge.

Save time and save stress: Sell your clubs with Golf Club Brokers.

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Trade In Golf Clubs? Your 10 Best Options

10 Best Places to Trade In Golf Clubs

Have you recently upgraded to a new set of clubs?  Is your lightly used set of clubs taking up space in the garage or closet?

This post is dedicated to helping you find the right place to trade in golf clubs with the least hassle and the most money.

In the past it may have been difficult to sell your golf clubs since the classified ads were likely the only choice.  However, the internet makes selling clubs infinitely easier.

The best place to trade your golf clubs really depends on the amount of work you want to do.  If you can find a buyer locally on Craigslist or Facebook, it won’t be hassle free, but you may be able to sell your golf clubs for more money.

If you don’t want to waste time and money, you can sell your clubs to an online broker that will remove the hassle and give you a guaranteed amount of cash.

Let’s get started.

 

Online Trade in Options

 

Golf Club Brokers – Now come on, did you really think we wouldn’t put ourselves first on this list?  This isn’t to say that you won’t find a better place depending on your circumstances, but if your goal is to eliminate hassle, you are in the right place.

Our goal is to get money in your hands as fast as possible.  However, if you are adept at selling clubs yourself, you will probably make more money going that route.

Positives – Instant Online Offer,  Orders $100+ receive Free Shipping, Payment sent within 1 business day.

Negatives – Less cash than if you sell clubs yourself.  You will need to schedule a UPS pickup or plan a visit to the local UPS store to drop off your clubs.

 

eBay – If you have the time, you can possibly get more cash by selling on eBay than some of your other options.  However, don’t overlook the fees which total roughly 13% for both eBay(10%) and PayPal(3%).  If selling a $300 set of irons, you will collect about $261 once the transaction is complete.

eBay is the largest golf club market in the world — which can be good and bad.  There is a ton of golf club focused traffic, which is good.  But, there are often thousands of competitors and that can be bad.

Positives – Receive slightly more money than some other options.  No need to meet in person.

Negatives – Time consuming to create a listing.  Shipping cost and hassle.  Possibility of buyer not being happy causing more headaches.  High fees.

 

PGA Value Guide – This website is often deemed a “Kelly Blue Book” for golf clubs.  They were originally run by the guys at 3Balls golf.  A couple of years ago, 3Balls was bought by Global Golf so their logo appears on the PGA Value Guide site when you select how you want to be paid.

If you want to receive store credit when you trade in golf clubs, they generously offer 30% more than their standard values.  However, if you would like cash, you are likely better off selling to us at golf club brokers.

Positives – Instant online offer.  Store credit values are 30% higher if you want to shop at Global Golf.  Ability to receive cash instead of credit if preferred.

Negatives – If you select cash, they are extremely slow sending your payment.  Depending on the club you are looking to sell, the offer may not be very high.

 

GolfWRX – This site originated as a forum to discuss all things golf related, but they recently added a classified section.  Typically the clubs sold on this page are for better players, so if your set is more for game improvement then it may be difficult to find a buyer.

Also, you may need to join and spend some time posting so people on the forum trust you enough to purchase from you.

Positives – There are no fees to sell.  No need to meet people in person unless you happen to sell to someone who lives close.

Negatives – You will need to gain a reputation on the forum before posting to the classifieds.  There is some risk since there are less controls in place.

 

Local Trade In Options

 

Craigslist – I’m sure you have heard of Craigslist by now, but not everyone has used it to sell something.  It is fairly simple to list your clubs, but you will need to take detailed pictures, create an easily searchable title, and write a good description of your item(s).

The biggest hassle with Craigslist when you go to sell golf clubs is meeting random strangers in the parking lot of the local grocery store.  Sometimes they show up…and sometimes they don’t.

If you have plenty of time on your hands, this can be a good way to get rid of your old clubs

Positives – Receive slightly more money.  No need to ship your clubs.

Negatives – Meeting unknown people in public places.  Hoping your buyer shows up.  Local

 

Facebook – This option is very similar to Craigslist– you will still need to meet someone in person not knowing whether or not they intend to follow through with the purchase.  Also, like Craigslist, you only have a local market which may make it more difficult to find the right buyer.

Positives – Receive slightly more money.  No need to ship your clubs.

Negatives – Meeting unknown people in public places.  Hoping your buyer shows up.

 

Your Home Country Club – Your country club can be a good place to trade in golf clubs.  Most likely you will not be able to receive cash, but if you are looking to looking to trade in your clubs and upgrade to newer models, this could be a good option.

Positives – Easily take your clubs into the golf shop so there is no hassle.  Quickly upgrade to the latest and greatest models.

Negatives – The trade in value may be less than you would otherwise receive.  Must accept store credit instead of cash.

 

Local Golf ShopEdwin Watts and PGA Superstore are a couple of examples of local golf retail stores you may have in your area.  Many of these retail stores will allow you to trade in golf clubs for store credit.  As with your country club, you will most likely have to settle for store credit instead of cash.

Positives – Easily take your clubs into the golf shop so there is no hassle.  Quickly upgrade to the latest and greatest models.

Negatives – The trade in value may be less than you would otherwise receive.  Most accept store credit instead of cash.

 

OfferUp App – This is a fairly new app that aims to take some of Craigslist’s market share.  It is a local classified ad app, so like Craigslist, you will need to meet someone in person which can be a hassle.  However, there are no fees to use it, so it may be worth a shot.

Positives – Receive slightly more money.  No need to ship your clubs.

Negatives – Meeting unknown people in public places.  Hoping your buyer shows up.

 

LetGo App – Very similar to the OfferUp app that aims to connect you with buyers who are in close proximity to you.

Positives – Receive slightly more money.  No need to ship your clubs.

Negatives – Meeting unknown people in public places.  Hoping your buyer shows up.

 

As you can see, there are numerous options when it comes time to trade in golf clubs.  If you are looking for a hassle-free way to get fast cash, there are several options including our own trade in page.  If you prefer not to ship your clubs or want store credit, there are several local places to trade in and upgrade to the latest models.  Hopefully one of these options will work out for you, but feel free to leave any questions or comments below.

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Complete Guide to Identify Counterfeit Golf Clubs

Have you ever bought a club on eBay and thought to yourself, “I sure hope this club is authentic and I didn’t just throw $300 down the drain?”  Well, you have come to the right place because this article has pictures and details of many of the counterfeit clubs we have encountered in our Golf Trade In business.  By the end of this article you will have a better understanding of how to identify counterfeit golf clubs.

Thankfully, the counterfeit golf club issue has slowed some in the last couple of years thanks to people being more aware of the problem.  We hope to contribute to the decline in counterfeit club sales by giving you all the information you need to identify counterfeit golf clubs.

With this in mind, let’s get started with some general tips on spotting the differences between a counterfeit and authentic club.

How to Identify Counterfeit Golf Clubs

The first thing you will notice about a fake club is the quality doesn’t compare to the real deal. If held side by side with an authentic club, it will be easy to identify the counterfeit golf club because of the inferior quality.  Since you normally don’t have a known authentic club to compare to, let’s get started with some detailed analysis of the differences starting with the grip.

Counterfeit Grip Details

  • May have a strong rubber odor like a swimming pool float or a bicycle tire.
  • The grips logos may also not be aligned properly when the club is sitting at address.
  • If there is a brand logo, many times the paint fill will be coming out and the font will be slightly different.
  • The design of the grip may not match.  Sometimes the grip design will be from an older model club.  See our TaylorMade SpeedBlade post for an example or look at the image below.
  • Many of the counterfeit grips we have seen on counterfeit clubs have also been smaller around like a ladies size grip.
Counterfeit TaylorMade SpeedBlade
This counterfeit grip was a design used on TaylorMade Irons from several years earlier.

 

Counterfeit Ping Grip
Counterfeit Ping Grip on the left.  The paint fill is not solid and the grip is smaller than the authentic one on the right.

 

Counterfeit Scotty Cameron Studio Select Newport 2 Putter
The counterfeit Scotty Cameron grip on the bottom is totally different than the authentic.  This was a design used on older models.

Counterfeit Shaft Details

  • Counterfeit shaft bands tend to peel up and are not straight on every club.  Also, they could be in a different place between clubs for an iron set.
  • Many of the shafts will feel flimsy or not as stiff as the flex stated on the shaft.
  • The colors may be off on the shaft bands or the graphics if the club has a graphite shaft.  Check out our counterfeit Titleist AP2 Iron Set Post as an example of counterfeit Project X steel shafts.  See our post on a counterfeit G15 Hybrid we received to see an example of a graphite shaft.
  • Many of the major manufacturers have started putting a holographic sticker on the shaft.  As a result counterfeiters have followed suit, but they are not putting it in the same location.  Most stickers on authentic clubs are placed on the underside of the shaft up by the grip or down next to the ferrule.  Counterfeit clubs usually have this sticker near the shaft band on the top of the shaft so it is easily visible.  They figure it will make it look more authentic I suppose.  You can check our counterfeit TaylorMade SpeedBlade post for a good example.
Counterfeit Project X Shaft
Counterfeit Project X Shaft with a much brighter color of blue and a holographic sticker below the shaft band.

 

Counterfeit Ping G15 Graphite Shaft
Counterfeit Ping G15 Graphite Shaft.  As you can see, the graphics are a good bit different on the top shaft which is the counterfeit.

 

Counterfeit TaylorMade SpeedBlade
Counterfeit TaylorMade SpeedBlade Iron Shaft with holographic sticker under the shaft band.

Counterfeit Head Details (Irons and Wedges)

  • Paint fill will be slightly off color and sometimes will also be outside the lines.
  • Font used will be slightly different or maybe a slightly different size.  Most of the time the font lettering will be thinner on the counterfeit.
  • Branding and lofts will be in a slightly different location on the club head.
  • Ferrules will be a different style.  As an example, Titleist and Mizuno normally use a longer ferrule, but almost all the ferrules on counterfeit irons are shorter.
  • The shape of the head will be off.  Many of the counterfeit clubs I have seen will look totally different from address than an authentic club.  Since I have played Titleist Vokey Wedges for many years, I immediately knew a counterfeit Vokey wedge as soon as I set it down and looked at it from address.  The shape of the head was different.
  • The finish is almost always different.  On our counterfeit Vokey, the authentic club had a satin finish and the counterfeit was shinier.
Counterfeit TaylorMade SpeedBlade
Counterfeit TaylorMade SpeedBlade.  Finish is different, colors are off, and font is slightly different.

 

Counterfeit Titleist AP2 712 Iron
Counterfeit Titleist AP2 712 Iron.  Font size on the AP2 is much larger on the counterfeit.  Diagonal lines in the cavity are different.  The word Forged is written in a much thinner font.

 

Counterfeit Titleist AP2 712
Counterfeit Titleist AP2 712 Iron Set.  Notice the ferrule is much shorter on the counterfeit club.  The bottom of the club is more rounded and the bottom grooves starts slightly higher on the face.

 

Counterfeit TaylorMade SpeedBlade
Counterfeit TaylorMade SpeedBlade Face.  The finish is different with the face looking much different than the rest of the club on the counterfeit.

 

Counterfeit Titleist MB 710 Iron Set
Counterfeit Titleist MB 710 Iron Set.  Forged irons have bag chatter because the metal is soft.  Counterfeit will not have normal bag chatter because they are made out of cheaper metal.

 

Counterfeit Head Details (Drivers, Fairways, Hybrids)

  • Paint fill will be slightly off color and sometimes will also be outside the lines.
  • Font used will be slightly different or maybe a slightly different size.  Most of the time the font lettering will be thinner on the counterfeit.
  • Branding and lofts will be in a slightly different location on the club head
  • Club head could be a different shape than an authentic club.
  • Face angle and the way the club sits on the ground will be different.  We have seen many counterfeit drivers and most of the time the club sits open or closed when at address.
  • Head weight on counterfeit drivers is normally heavier than authentic drivers because they are not made of titanium.  You can also try the magnet test on your driver to see if it will stick.  A magnet will not stick to a titanium driver, but it will to a counterfeit steel driver.
  • Adjustment adapter will not line up exactly or generally looks poor quality.
Counterfeit Ping G30 Driver
Counterfeit Ping G30 Driver.  Notice the word LOFT is a totally different font and the serial number is much larger on the counterfeit.

 

Counterfeit Ping G30 Driver
Counterfeit Ping G30 Driver.  Notice how the counterfeit sits extremely closed when sitting on the ground.  Also notice the raised “Turbulators” don’t go all the way to the edge of the face on the counterfeit club.

 

Counterfeit Ping G15 Hybrid
Counterfeit Ping G15 Hybrid.  Colors are different.  The loft is painted in white instead of black.  This is a very poor quality counterfeit.

 

Counterfeit Mizuno MX-700 Fairway Wood
Counterfeit Mizuno MX-700 Fairway Wood.  the loft is written completely different.  Hosel length is much shorter on the counterfeit.

 

Counterfeit MX-700 Fairway Wood
Counterfeit MX-700 Fairway Wood.  The gray paint on the crown is completely different.

 

Counterfeit Head Details (Putter)

  • Colors and fonts will be different just like on the irons and drivers above.
  • Putter alignment will not set up properly.  It takes some work to make a putter that sets up perfectly and counterfeiters aren’t very good at the small details.
  • Removable weights may not line up properly as in the picture below.  If you run your fingers across the bottom of the putter you will feel the edge of the weight.
  • Finish will most likely be different.  Notice on the Scotty Cameron pictures below that the milling on the face is much different.  It looks as if the counterfeiter was trying a little too hard to put those fake milling marks on there.
  • Feel of the putter will be different because of the material used.  Higher end putters like the Scotty Cameron below are made of a softer metal and will have a different feel than the counterfeit.

 

How to Identify Counterfeit Golf Clubs
Counterfeit Scotty Cameron. Notice how the weights don’t line up perfectly with the bottom of the sole.

 

Counterfeit Scotty Cameron Studio Select Newport 2 Putter
Counterfeit Scotty Cameron.  Milling marks are much more pronounced on the counterfeit.

 

Counterfeit Head Cover Details

  • Stitching on the lettering and branding will be of poor quality.  Take a look at the Mizuno cover below to see a good example.
  • Material used will be a different texture and firmness.
  • As with the heads and shafts of the clubs, the colors will most of the time be a little off.
  • If there is Velcro or other closing mechanism, it will be of poor quality and many times will not work correctly.

 

Counterfeit Scotty Cameron Cover
Counterfeit Scotty Cameron Cover.  Material used is much stiffer and not as supple as the authentic.

 

Counterfesit Scotty Cameron Head Cover
Counterfeit Scotty Cameron Head Cover.  Shape is different.

 

Counterfeit Mizuno MX-700 Fairway Cover
Counterfeit Mizuno MX-700 Fairway Cover.  The log0 and branding on the authentic cover is much cleaner.

 

Counterfeit Serial Number Details

This section will be dedicated to the differences between the way companies put serial numbers on their clubs and how to help spot counterfeit clubs.  Most counterfeit clubs will have a much larger font for the serial numbers than what is on the authentic clubs.  Some companies etch the serial numbers into the metal and some companies use a laser that isn’t actually etched into the metal.  Every counterfeit club we have seen uses a laser and is not etched into the metal.  This could of course change in the future.  However, the guide below should help you identify counterfeit golf clubs.

Titleist

Titleist serial numbers in the past were mostly etched into the metal itself.  Starting around 2013 they started using a laser to add serial numbers to their drivers, fairway woods, hybrids, and Scotty Cameron putters.  From what I have seen, their iron sets are still etched into the metal.  On Scotty Cameron putters it is located on the shaft up near the grip usually between the bottom of the grip and the top of the shaft band.  With the newer drivers and fairway woods, it is located on the sole instead of the hosel.  On iron sets that are off the shelf, the serial number is on the 6 iron and on custom ordered sets, the serial number is on all irons.

www.titleist.com
333 Bridge St
Fairhaven, MA 02719
1-800-225-8500

TaylorMade

TaylorMade serial numbers are normally put on with a laser and are smooth to the touch just like most counterfeit clubs.  Normally, the counterfeit serial numbers are in a different font and specifically a larger font.  On many of the newer Taylormade drivers and fairway woods, the real serial number will be very light colored gray writing.   Iron sets will have the serial number on either the 5 iron (for older models) or the 7 iron (on newer models).  They have recently started putting serial numbers on the the hosel of all of the irons to confuse counterfeiters and are not used for registration or spec lookup.  Taylormade putters and wedges do not have serial numbers.  Tour issue clubs have a serial number that starts with a T.

www.taylormadegolf.com
5545 Fermi Court
Carlsbad, CA 92008
1-877-860-8624

Mizuno

Mizuno iron sets will have the serial number on the hosel of every iron.  Mizuno clubs normally have the serial number lasered on, but it will be in small writing.  Fake clubs will look like it is lasered on, but the writing will be much larger and a lot of times will only be on one club.  This would be the same for Mizuno drivers and fairway woods.  For iron international iron sets (Europe/Asia) the serial number is on the shaft underneath the grip.w

www.mizunousa.com/golf
1-800-966-1211

Callaway

Callaway clubs normally have the serial numbers laser etched on and it is on one club for iron sets.  There will also be a tiny 2D barcode next to the serial number.  This holds true for Driver, Fairway woods, and odyssey putters as well.  Although recently it seems that Callaway has stopped putting serial numbers on their fairway woods and hybrids, so if you have a recent model it may no longer have a serial.

www.callawaygolf.com
2180 Rutherford Road
Carlsbad, CA 92008
1-800-588-9836

Ping

Ping clubs will be harder to tell because they have recently started using laser etching on their newer clubs.  It used to be that all their serial numbers were actually etched into the metal.  It has just been in the last couple of years they have started using the laser etching process.  On iron sets, Ping puts the serial number on all clubs.  On the newer drivers and fairway woods the serial numbers are on the sole of the club back toward the hosel.

www.ping.com
1-800-474-6434

 

Final Notes on Serial Numbers:

Most manufacturers do not offer a way for you to verify whether or not a serial number is authentic.  The main reason for this is counterfeit club makers can easily take an actual serial number and stamp it onto their clubs.  There are a couple of manufacturers that allow you to register your clubs on their website.  Part of the registration is inputting the serial number on the clubs.  This is also not a full proof way of determining whether or not a set of clubs is fake or not, as most of those sites will accept any serial number that is enter.

Counterfeit Titleist MB 710 Iron Set
Counterfeit Titleist MB 710 Iron Set Serial Numbers.  The authentic club is on bottom and has the serial etched into the metal which you can feel if you run your finger across it.  The counterfeit is smooth to the touch.

 

Counterfeit TaylorMade SpeedBlade Serial Numbers
Counterfeit TaylorMade SpeedBlade Serial Numbers.  While they are both added to the club with a laser, the font on the counterfeit is larger.

 

Counterfeit Ping G30 Driver
Counterfeit Ping G30 Driver.  The serial number is much larger on the counterfeit.

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Counterfeit Scotty Cameron Studio Select Newport 2 Putter

Counterfeit Scotty Cameron Studio Select Newport 2 Putter

We recently had someone try to sell us a counterfeit Scotty Cameron putter and we decided to post some pictures to help everyone out.  This particular model came out in 2008 and is the Studio Select Newport 2.

While counterfeit clubs are getting better in quality, it is still pretty easy to spot the counterfeit when comparing side by side with an authentic club.

The problem is that most of the time you will not have an authentic club to compare it to.  If it is a newer model club that is still available in stores, you should take it to an authorized retailer so you can compare them side by side.  If your putter is a different model, search around Google to see if you can find pictures of a counterfeit like yours.

However, if you are unable to find one exactly like yours, the pictures and details below should help you get an idea of some of the common differences between an authentic Scotty Cameron and a counterfeit.

Counterfeit Scotty Cameron Studio Select Newport 2 Highlights

  • The paint fill on the authentic Scotty Cameron is a much brighter red.
  • The writing on the hosel (“SCOTTY”) is just a bit taller on the counterfeit club.
  • The shape of the club head is a little different with the counterfeit club. It has more rounded edges when viewed from the top.
  • The milling marks on the face are much rougher on the fake club. You can feel it when you run your fingers across it.
  • The shaft band and serial number is on the top of the shaft instead of underneath.
  • The serial number is etched into the shaft on the authentic club and also uses a smaller font.
  • The inside of the head cover is gray on the authentic head cover and has a tag inside it. The inside is white on the counterfeit.

While there are other differences, these seem to be the most prevalent.  In general, the poor quality of a counterfeit club should raise suspicion.

You may have a counterfeit if the grip is not aligned properly, the weights on the sole do not fit flush, or the paint fill is sloppy.

Hopefully this post will give you the knowledge you need to avoid one of these inferior counterfeit putters.  If you do run across a counterfeit, you can report it to Titliest HERE.  You can click this link to get more information about counterfeit Scotty Cameron putters directly from Titleist.

While we aren’t interested in buying your counterfeit Scotty Cameron, you can click the link below to sell your authentic name brand clubs.

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Counterfeit Scotty Cameron Studio Select Newport 2 Putter

Counterfeit Scotty Cameron Studio Select Newport 2 Putter

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